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American nuns call Vatican talks ‘difficult’

(RNS) Relations between the Vatican and the American nuns who are under investigation seem to be worsening after the sisters said Monday (June 18) that initial discussions with Rome about a resolution to their standoff were “difficult” and that comments by several U.S. bishops have not made negotiations easier.

The statement by the board of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, as well as subsequent remarks by the nun who heads the LCWR, may herald a longer and broader struggle inside the church.

“We have never considered ourselves in any way unfaithful to the church, but if questioning is interpreted as defiance, that puts us in a very difficult position,” Sister Pat Farrell, head of the LCWR, said in an interview with the National Catholic Reporter on Monday.

Farrell said that “together with people around the country who have been supportive of us, our desire is to do what we can, for their sake and for ours, to help create a safe and respectful environment, where together with church leaders we can raise questions openly and search for truth freely, addressing some of the complex issues of our times.”

But Farrell added that such questioning “can only take place in a climate of mutual trust.”

She said that lack of trust was evident on June 12 when Farrell and the LCWR's executive director, Sister Janet Mock, met with Cardinal William Levada, the American who heads the Vatican's doctrinal office and who is overseeing an overhaul of the LCWR.

In April, the Vatican announced that Pope Benedict XVI had authorized a takeover of the LCWR, which represents about 80 percent of the nation’s 57,000 nuns and sisters. The Vatican's "doctrinal assessment" said the group was not sufficiently promoting orthodox teachings on sexuality and gender and was spending too much time focusing on social justice issues.

Although the Vatican has been officially scrutinizing the LCWR for several years – and has viewed the U.S. nuns with some suspicion for decades – the takeover came as a surprise. LCWR leaders requested a face-to-face meeting with Levada, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain, who Benedict named to direct the Vatican effort.

After last week’s talks in Rome, Farrell and Mock said the meeting had been an opportunity for “open dialogue.” A Vatican spokesman said the meeting took place “in an atmosphere of openness and cordiality.”

But right after the meeting, Levada gave an interview in which he said the talks may in fact be a “dialogue of the deaf,” and said the nuns are associating with people who “aren't representing the church with any reasonable sense of product identity.” Sartain and another U.S. bishop involved in the takeover also said the investigation was aimed at the LCWR, not nuns in general.

Farrell called Levada’s comment “unfortunate” and in its statement on Monday, the LCWR rejected efforts to try to separate the group from the wider community of U.S. nuns, which it said has “keenly felt” the impact of the Vatican campaign.

LCWR also said the outpouring of support for the nuns was evidence that the conflict has struck a chord as “many others are also concerned about how to live as people of faith in the complexities of these times.”

“The concerns they have shared with LCWR will be part of the conference’s discernment of its response” to the Vatican, it said.

The LCWR holds its annual assembly in St. Louis in August, during which the entire membership will discuss the next steps to take.

Topics: Faith, Leaders & Institutions
Beliefs: Christian - Catholic
Tags: archbishop peter sartain, cardinal william levada, congregation for the doctrine of the faith, lcwr, leadership conference of women religious, nuns, pope benedict xvi, sister janet mock, sister pat farrell, vatican

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David Gibson is an award-winning religion journalist, author and filmmaker. He writes for RNS and until recently covered the religion beat for AOL's Politics Daily. He blogs at Commonweal magazine, and has written two books on Catholic topics, the latest a biography of Pope Benedict XVI.
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  1. “We have never considered ourselves in any way unfaithful to the church, but if questioning is interpreted as defiance, that puts us in a very difficult position,” Sister Pat Farrell, head of the LCWR, said.  Sorry, Sr. Pat.  When you and your leadership openly “preach” outside of Catholic teaching, and fail to heed repeated warnings about it ... for years! ... then you are indeed being unfaithful to the Church, or at least its long-held teachings.  You knew you were doing it, and continued to do it.  That is called defiance.  Don’t act surprised when you are called on it.

  2. Questioning dogmas that are not inerrant is not defiance. The Church has historically has been open to questioning and evolution on its teachings that were not fundamentals of the faith. That is what the Sisters have been doing. They may be naive especially given the reactionary nature of the Popes since Vatican II but they are following in a long tradition of respectful dialogue. Unfortunately the other side of the conversation hasn’t had the ears to hear the message.

  3. Stephen, if you research a little and read the Catechism you’ll find that a dogma is something that is not open to question - the sisters are questioning church teaching on: abortion, homosexuality, women priests which are beliefs that the Church has always held.  They are not open for discussion.  The Church cannot change those teachings, fundamentally based on the Ten Commandments.  That is the problem for these nuns.  If they wish to remain Catholic they have to accept all the dogmas of the Church.

  4. Sr.Janet Mock doesn’t realize that the LCWR sisters are confused on Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    Sister Janet Mock, executive director of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) acknowledges that a few sisters have moved so far outside church tradition that it’s difficult to recognize them as Catholic. But the Leadership Conference of Women Religious she said didn’t encourage that.

    “Somebody, and we don’t know who, is behind all of this questioning of our organization,” she said. “If we could just sit down with whoever has a question, I think it would be easier. This comes close to maligning the organization, painting everybody in it with the same brush.” (1)

    I have been sending her these blog posts hoping she will tell me what they believe is the Church’s doctrinal teachings on this subject i.e the issue of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church and there are no known cases in 2012 of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience (LG 16) and ‘seeds of the word’(Vatican Council II)


    As part of ‘the church tradition’ which she accepts, does she accept Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation ( to avoid Hell) ?.-Lionel Andrades
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    1.
    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/nuns-leader-seeks-dialogue-with-vatican-to-plead-case-639727/

    If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma they made a mistake: So why cannot the Leadership Conference of Women Religious hold the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/if-letter-of-holy-office-1949-said-that.html#links

    FOR FIVE YEARS CARDINAL LEVADA HAS BEEN ALLOWING DISSENTING SISTERS TO RECEIVE THE EUCHARIST
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/for-five-years-cardinal-levada-has-been.html

    LCWR SISTERS CONFUSED ON VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/lcwr-sisters-confused-on-vatican.html#links

    Reality check: The LCWR, CDF and the Doctrinal Assessment by Bishop Leonard Blair: Do they have the right to receive the Eucharist ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/reality-check-lcwr-cdf-and-doctrinal.html

    CARDINAL LEVADA SAYS LCWR SISTERS CAN AVAIL OF THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE- WHAT ABOUT THE EUCHARIST?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/cardinal-levada-says-lcwr-sisters-can.html#links

    LCWR Sisters and the Secretary of the CDF need to affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7) along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/lcwr-sisters-and-secretary-of-cdf-need.html#links

    When the LCWR invites Curran, Hubbard and Schneiders they are saying the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3) and every one does not need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7)
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/when-lcwr-invites-curran-hubbard-and.html

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