(RNS) As skeptics, atheists and humanists prepare to gather for their largest meeting in Las Vegas this weekend, attendance by women is expected to be down significantly.
Officials for The Amazing Meeting, or TAM, said Wednesday (July 11) that women would make up 31 percent of the 1,200 conference attendees, down from 40 percent the year before. A month before the conference, pre-registration was only 18 percent women, organizers said.
The explanations are many -- the bad economy, that women, as caregivers, are less able to get away, and that more men than women identify as skeptics, whose worldview rejects the supernatural and focuses on science and rationality.
But in the weeks preceding TAM, another possible explanation has roiled the nontheist community. Online forums have crackled with charges of sexism in TAM’s leadership and calls for the ouster of D.J. Grothe, the male president of the James Randi Educational Foundation, TAM’s organizer. In June, Rebecca Watson, a skeptic blogger and speaker, canceled her TAM appearance because, she said on her blog, she does “not feel welcome or safe.”
Other nontheists -- both male and female -- have shared stories of unwanted sexual attention at nontheist gatherings, including propositions for sex and unwelcome touching. Chatter has ranged from calls for more women to attend nontheist events to personal attacks on prominent female skeptics for discussing harassment. Meanwhile, two more skeptic/feminist bloggers announced they will not attend TAM.
The debate has had two major impacts -- a call for cooler tempers and the immediate implementation of sexual harassment policies by all of the major nontheist organizations, both national and regional.
No one is suggesting that all nontheist events are unsafe for women. But the controversy has members of the nontheist community, which prides itself on its embrace of rational thinking, asking whether they have a sexual harassment problem. And if so, what should be done?
“We are a small movement, so it might be very important for some men and women to find a partner who shares their beliefs,” said Maggie Ardiente, director of development for the American Humanist Association, which recently adopted a sexual harassment policy. “That does not mean sexual attention, when it is clearly rejected, is allowed. We need to be clear that these events are a great way to meet people, but there are appropriate ways to conduct yourselves. There are common-sense ways to address this for both men and women.”
This is not the first time the skeptic community has struggled with sexual harassment charges.
Last year, at another skeptic conference, Watson said she was approached late at night in an elevator by a man she believed was seeking sex. When she blogged about it, the “atheosphere” erupted in comments, both supportive and negative. British biologist Richard Dawkins, the best-selling author of “The God Delusion,” wrote that Watson should “stop whining” and “grow a thicker skin.”
The current hullabaloo can be traced to May’s Women in Secularism Conference, a first-of-its-kind gathering about nontheist women. On a panel examining feminism and nontheism, Jennifer McCreight, an atheist blogger, said women speakers at nontheist events warn each other privately about male speakers who make unwanted sexual advances.
“They brought up a concern about harassment at conferences and I was not aware of that problem,” said Ron Lindsay, president of the Center for Inquiry, a humanist-skeptic group that organized the women’s conference. “Maybe I should have been. But once I became aware of that concern it wasn’t that difficult to come to a decision that we should have a policy in place to deal with that.”
CFI unveiled its policy earlier this month. American Atheists, American Humanist Association, and several large regional groups have also announced policies in the last few weeks. Most organizations had sexual harassment policies covering their employees and workplaces, but the new policies are aimed at non-employee attendees at special events.
As these groups and others unveiled their policies, members of the skeptic community asked whether TAM had one in place.
And that’s where things got ugly. In an appeal to assure women that TAM is welcoming and safe, Grothe made comments that upset some in the community. They accused him of underplaying, and even ignoring, reported harassment at past meetings, and of “blaming the victims” of the alleged incidents. Grothe apologized to Watson on her blog, Skepchick.
“I believe strongly that women’s voices need to be taken seriously in the atheist and skeptics movements, that any reports of harassment or assault at atheist and skeptics events need to be taken seriously and recorded, and acted on effectively, and that those who make reports of such harassment shouldn’t ever be blamed for such,” Grothe wrote.
Asked to comment for this story, Grothe said he stood by his online remarks.
Those remarks continue, “I do not deny that there is a problem with sexism at atheist or skeptics conferences, nor any of the accounts blogged about in general terms by women who have attended TAM or similar kinds of events, but I would appreciate if such reports were balanced with an acknowledgment of the great effort the JREF goes to ensuring that TAM is a safe and welcoming environment for women.”
This year, TAM has hired an outside consultant to deal with harassment incidents. And TAM is notable among nontheist conferences in that roughly half of its speakers are women, including keynote speaker Carol Tavris, a social psychologist. Many skeptic women say they have no plans to abandon the conference or the broader nontheist community.
“We may not be able to ever completely solve misogyny online but we can absolutely do a better job ensuring that our physical events are welcoming and safe spaces for women and minorities than we have been,” said Amy Davis Roth, a longtime skeptic who has helped raise almost $8,000 for grants to send 22 women to this year’s TAM.
“Anti-harassment polices are a good start because it sends the message that event organizers want everyone to feel safe and that harassment will not be tolerated by our community,” she said.




Mike Bethany | Jul 12, 2012 | 6:45pm
I’ve seen a little of the sexism first hand when viewing female atheist YouTube videos. There’s always some creepy guy saying how cute the woman is and every single time I’ve politely said, “Hey, that’s not really appropriate.” They guy goes mental and just doubles down on dumb.
I’d say it’s definitely out there but I think it’s something we can work on and if there are people that don’t want to do that then we can just shun them… like the Mormons do.
Jay | Jul 12, 2012 | 7:44pm
“stop whining” and “grow a thicker skin.” Wow. Imagine a world with a bunch of people with this kind of attitude.
Seems atheists arent much better than Catholic priests. I wonder how many pedophiles are lurking in the room.
Melody Hensley | Jul 12, 2012 | 7:58pm
Women in the atheist movement are not saying that sexual harassment is greater at atheist conferences, but that it should be handled better when it does happen. We want our conferences, which have been largely male dominated, to be safe and welcoming places for women. I believe we are moving in the right direction.
- Melody Hensley
Women in Secularism, Organizer
Ashley F. Miller | Jul 12, 2012 | 8:09pm
Last year TAM had a sexual harassment policy, this year they do not. Thought that was worth noting. Not sure if that impacts the 31% versus 40% or if it was a spiteful reaction after all the criticism DJ has gotten, but, despite their supposed pride at being the first with a policy, they’ve dropped it.
Jay | Jul 12, 2012 | 11:00pm
According to atheists, we are nothing more than animals. So if a woman WERE to get molested, and or raped… Wouldnt that just be the behavior of animals? Therefore she would have no legal claim. i mean… If you reduce us to just evolved thinking animals.. law enforcement goes out of the window and we go to a kill or be killed mentality.
As an aside, religions that condone their “leaders” to do such things cannot be called true.
RandiWatch | Jul 13, 2012 | 12:36pm
Women aren’t in danger at these conferences. I’d be much more worried about teenaged boys. Check out this recording, one of several circulating, in which James Randi arranges a sexual tryst with a teenager. http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/Doctor’s-Data-v-Barrett/01 Track 1.mp3
Randi later claimed this was made for some police investigation or something, yet never produced a single shred of evidence to back up his claims. This is the absolute tip of the iceberg with this community.
Jeff Samuelson | Jul 13, 2012 | 2:33pm
Jay, I’ve never met or talked to an atheist that considers human beings to be amoral beasts, or advocates a “kill or be killed mentality.” Such contortions only exist in the twisted imagination of demagogues and fundamentalists. As “evolved thinking animals,” humanity has developed systems of ethics and morality to deal with our impulses and thoughts, particularly within communities. I recommend laying off the polemics for a while.
As for the article, to me it’s mind-bogglingly simple: treat all people with basic dignity and respect, and put policies in place to discourage disruptive & harmful behavior and that provides for remedies when it happens.
krissthesexyatheist | Jul 13, 2012 | 2:59pm
I don’t play with the other atheist or go to their/our meet ups-n-such, but…obviously, sure it it a problem (that’s why all the whoop-la, right), how big or how small I dunno. What I can see from my outsider view point is that something is being done to remedy that situation. Can that be said for any other organization like, ya know, christian organizations-n-such. Are they taking stances to to give equality and, at least no sexual harassment, to the ladies in their groups (I don’t think so).
Team Atheist, we need to unite, we need to take care of our peeps and then leave the “divide and conquer” stuffs for “us” to apply to “them”. I don’t want sexism in our camp, that is what we call them out on all the time about their bible, philosophy and about their camp.
We’re better than that…or at least we should be.
Kriss
Alan | Jul 13, 2012 | 4:19pm
I guess it turns out Athiests are not divinely perfect either - who would have guessed?
Carl | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:05pm
Jeff, I would say that anyone who claims to be atheist and holds to any morality is a hypocrit. If we believe in natural selection and the guiding hand of evolution, then we admit that we are creatures of survival and that any moral or ethical standard placed upon us by society is inferior and simply an attempt to restrain our natural urges. Man is a sexual being, and his desire for sex is a natural urge. Women are meant to be the recipient of those urges. It’s really quite simple.
John | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:10pm
Men with no accountability to a higher power behaving badly. Imagine that.
Peter | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:27pm
Humanism at it’s core is for the betterment of all mankind. That includes having morality. Sexism should not be tolerated. I have a suspicion that there a few bad apples here. That would apply to any cross-tested group. Let’s hope that the offending groups are brought to light and that the secular movement can move forward with pride.
sctbinfl | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:27pm
Hilarious and shocking! Nice article below .
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-atheists-have-lowest-retention-rate-compared-to-religious-groups-78029/
Who cares... | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:28pm
Surprise, surprise.
Who cares if the male of the species wants to mate? Why is that surprising or even considered inappropriate?
Animals gonna do what animals gonna do. Are you strong enough to get what you want?
Lars | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:31pm
Without divine revelation including a moral code from God anything is fair game. Why is sexual harassment or rape wrong? For the one who believes in evolution without a divine author should respect the one who is strongest and able to survive. That means the Survivor of the Fitists is celebrated rather than the weakest protected. Atheists make up their own rules when convenient based on divine law
Who cares... | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:34pm
“Humanism…That includes having morality… Sexism should not be tolerated…”
That’s funny!
A nontheist preaching. Specifically preaching morality and “thou shalt not”.
You’re not the boss of me!
Honey badger take what he want. Honey badger take what he need.
David | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:35pm
There’s no such thing as an atheist.Not when the chips are down.Dump any one of them 100 miles off shore and lo and behold they start making deals with God.
Punchy Malos | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:38pm
All I can say is IF anyone does not believe in a Creator, they must not exist, as they were Created. Therefore they are not. The point is….hold on the phone is ringing, I’ll be right back.
SavageHenry | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:45pm
I find it really hard to believe the premise of this story. Everyone knows that feminists are the ugly chicks who never got invited to the prom. #Life101
Nietzsche is dead | Jul 13, 2012 | 5:47pm
Atheist female attendance down? Good God no, Heaven help us… wait, scratch that.
Rab the Ranter | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:00pm
Why do people who believe in nothing have to organize?
What would they discuss?
Maybe atheism is a religion after all…
Tai Pan | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:08pm
I’ve seen the women that attend. Sexual harassment is not in the card unless the man is blind or been prison for a number of decades.
stoptouchingthatmabel | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:08pm
We all have our own opinions about so many things and the most important is whether you believe in the existence of a supreme being. For me I have one strong opinion and that is I believe robots are stealing my luggage.
Lemon Wedge-E | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:08pm
Is it me or do these Atheist get-to-gather sound like a swingers party? 5 idiot guys for every 1 ugly broad with a shanker and an unusual tick in her left eye. If you are looking for a real party, try the New Reform Free Will Holiness Muslims, there’s where the chicks can be had!
ben | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:21pm
In the time of economic crisis not many people, especially women, care about philosophical questions regarding Atheism. The questions is more like, “God if you exist, please help me in my crisis”. Nobody would be consulting atheism for help in personal troubles. What’s the point? But you can still call out to God in the time of trouble, yes, even if you have serious doubts about this existence.
Conferences are there to get you pumped up and energized to help extinguish some of the insecurities about atheism you acquired over the year. When you meet other atheists in these conferences you feel good that you are not the only one unbeliever. The conference gets you going for another year until the battery starts going low and you need to get reenergized at the next confere.
A theist | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:22pm
What are the women complaining about? Just say, ‘No’ and I’ll go to the next desirable specimen. It’s only biology after all!
Andylit | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:22pm
As a lifelong atheist, I cannot imagine anything more boring than attending a conference of atheists talking about something they don’t beleive in.
I cannot imagine anything more amusing than the recruiting committee.
AnneP | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:23pm
The crabbiest most opinionated people I’ve encountered have been devout atheists who just have to tell you what they think and if you don’t agree with them you’re an idiot. I avoid these people like the plague. They’re just itching for an argument.
Dawn Z | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:23pm
Good to see this being exposed. I have found the sexism intolerable in the atheist community.. i have also experienced bullying and attacks on my womanhood on Facebook from male atheists… There you have men posting about “terrible treatment” of women in the Islamic community as a way of attacking religion, and in the same wall one finds a post calling an Islamic teenage girl a bitch. They show their lack of understanding and a incredible level of disrespect for women. Lots of pictures of women as objects on these pages. Beleive me I am not prude but I am diusguted. They fail to see what a poor image they are giving themselves and atheists movements… Plenty of racism sprinkled in too. Unfortunately it seems atheism has drawn many trashy young men with poor and limited social skills who are plain haters any which way you talk to them. I hope its fair to assume smart polite atheist have a non virtual life and wouldn’t run rude post betraying intelligence 24/7. The typical stats on these bullies making atheism look bad is American male, 21 years of age, living in parents attic, few if any real friends and limited social interactions or connections off of the Internet living the South. They put woman like me off from participating or taking part. Would not attend an event to be bullied in person. No thanks.
Leslie Holt | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:25pm
How odd. My church does not have to have such policies and I have been there for 20+ years. I have never witnessed anything and I know most there. If I had to worry that my group was going to “work on getting better” at sexual harassment and the aka founder told me to grow a thicker skin that would be hasta la vista for me.
Leslie
J.M. | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:34pm
I think attendance was down mainly because so many people opted to go the the Reason Rally in DC. It was a great time even if it poured down rain.
Atheism IS a Mental Disorder | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:42pm
Atheism asserts that there is no God that exists anywhere in the universe. This is known as an absolute negation. The fatal flaw of the atheist argument is that it is impossible to make an absolute negation, unless someone has knowledge of the entire universe. So, an atheist claims to have knowledge of the entire universe. If the atheist changes his argument and states that he must see God in order to believe in Him, he is really not an atheist, but is unsure and an agnostic. If God were to show Himself, he would believe in Him. Either way, if you choose to believe that there is no God or remain uncertain as to His existence, at the end of your life, you’d better be right!
Not ONE atheist can give a rationale reason for them to continue to live. If there is nothing better than this life, then there is no use living this life. The irrational argument to make this life better while here constitutes insanity since there is no redeeming benefit despite the horse&&&& they state. The REAL reasons for atheistic beliefs are very easy to figure out. They believe in the concept of moral relativism. That means they can do whatever they want with no consequences because it makes them “feel good”. They do not believe they must conform in anyway that society asks them to. Sure they’ll obey a traffic light because they might lose their narcissistic lifestyle, BUT they believe you should have no right to tell them if they can smoke dope, dress in drag, live on the public dole, get free healthcare while living a hedonistic lifestyle. Atheism is a mental illness just like leftism/Marxism/socialism/fascism.
Richard_Iowa | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:45pm
I simply do not see any problem in an “unwanted advance” as I cannot find any basis for moral behaviour within the framework of atheism. In fact, I do not think that the word “moral” should have a place in the language of atheists, except for establishing that morality does not exist. Atheists should deal with issues, either acceptable or unacceptable in their judgement, in whatever manner they choose.
nemo.nemoque.5 | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:49pm
This should not be a surprise to anyone. How many of the women are lesbians? I suspect that it would be over half. Secondly, if you are an atheist, you have no moral absolutes. Everything, and I mean everything, is up for grabs. The only thing that atheists have in common with one another is their denial of the existence of God. Orgasm is the atheist’s counterpart to a religious experience. They only want to share.
fantum | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:50pm
God created Atheists… Without God there would be no Atheists!
Isn’t it strange that Atheists only seem to have one goal in life? It seems that their only purpose in life is to discredit and disprove God, religion and Christians.
Atheists as a group, or individuals when they identify themselves as Atheists, speak out on behalf of their Atheistic beliefs (or lack of) but we never hear anything positive. It is almost as if without God, Atheists would evaporate… And yet, there they are???
So… Do Atheists have any positive goals? Since they worship nothing, believe in nothing, live for nothing, and die for nothing, what are their goals? What are their hopes? Why do we only hear the hatred? They hate Christians, they hate Jëws, they anyone who does not instantly accept their bitter mantra of nothing. Even that is not enough… They want to be sure nobody else has anything either. It would be very refreshing to hear Atheists actually bring something positive to society.
Athiests claim the image of patriots following the rule of “Separation between church and state” as if they are some sort of noble Constitutionalists, but the fact is there is no such rule in the Constitution. Even if they do believe in such noble causes, who decides it truly is noble, and why do they care since everything they believe in or everything they accomplish will die with them and, like themselves, be gone for eternity? Christians call it HeII.
Freidrich | Jul 13, 2012 | 6:55pm
Why all the complaining?
Since there is no God, there is no right or wrong. The only rule is for the person to survive or choose to allow others to survive in a way that is an advantage to one or another.
Might is right. So then, sexism and unwanted advances are just a result. If one can get away with it without being endangered, then it is “Right”.
If you are an Atheist, do not try to moralize. Well, I guess you can———but it is sort of hypocritical.
Cromulent | Jul 13, 2012 | 7:15pm
Looking at that picture….. I’m finding it hard to believe these wom….umm…. these gir…err…. these homo sapiens are being sexually propositioned by males of the species.
DC Skeptic | Jul 13, 2012 | 7:26pm
Sorry, but the fewer the women in any group, the more socially maladapted the men in it are apt to be. Especially around what few women show up. I’ve seen this with my own eyes in many settings, including meetings of atheists. Groups of Christians are generally far more pleasant to be around.
Redeemed | Jul 13, 2012 | 7:40pm
What? Amoral behavior? No respect for another’s human dignity and importance? I’m shocked! Shocked!
cojcoj | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:02pm
Mike Bethany - and why is calling a girl who posts a YouTube video cute wrong or inappropriate? I’m very much pro-women, pro-feminism, etc., but a single compliment about a girl’s looks does not make harassment. While the response back to you may very well have been pure idiocy and inappropriate, your initial comment sounds wrong to begin with. At least the way you described it - it sounds to me like you’re calling anyone who makes random cute complements on the internet a creep. If a girl posts a video and she gets 10 comments about how cute she is, she should learn to take the complements. Sure, it’s not really adding to the discussion, but it’s still a nice complement. And as these people don’t really know her, any other complement would be a lie.
On the other hand, if the same person posts the same “cute” message repeatedly, or on tons of videos of different women, then that would certainly be creepy creepy creepy! And if the same woman, then definitely harassment.
Petard | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:05pm
This article is really illustrative and instructive. Atheists - There is no God. Consequently, there is no Authority. If there is, what is the name of the Supreme Being who has this authority? But since the athiests do not believe that there is a Supreme Being, then only man is the authority, or women, but by whose authority is it the one or the other? Women, apparently, reject the notion that men make the rules, but by whose authority? On what grounds? On what basis should I believe that women are correct? Their word? According to their own tenet, there is no Eternal Truth. How can there be? There is no Supreme Authority. What makes these women act as if there were a truth, and it is theirs? By whose authority? Why does the women’s opinion outweigh the men’s? By whose authority? Why do the women assume that their opinion is correct. By whose authority do they make the claim? Since there is no authority, except that made up by men, why do they assume that women are the authority? Who is to say that the men are incorrect and the women correct? “Humanism?” Who says? There is no Supreme Authority. The weakness of the athiest and skeptics beliefs are exposed with this news story.
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first set out to deceive.”
Hoisted on their own petard.
Craig | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:13pm
If there is actually touching and asking for sexual favors then that certainly is beyond what should be acceptable. But just hitting on a woman is not sexism at all. If you don’t want to be hit on then join a female skeptic society. Don’t expect males to cancel out millions of years of evolutionary behavior geared towards increasing the population.
chris | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:14pm
This “non-theist” movement represents a disgusting sub-culture no different than religion, and often exhibits a disturbing lack of moral character. As an atheist, I am shocked that people actually associate with such movements, and am wary of them. The vast majority of atheists do not publicly associate with these things.
Frankly, the atheism industry is a moral, intellectual, and commercial failure. Such organizations do not represent who I am, and I am appalled that they exist at all.
athiesthiestiamnot | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:31pm
what i find confusing is having a conference about a nonexistant God. to me such meetings only reinforce that He is, just like He said, “I AM”. cant see the air we breathe it must not be real either.duh
Compassionate | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:33pm
First let me say that 1 i apologize and 2 i am a follower of Christ. I am not here to judge rant belittle or Knock your beliefs. I’m sorry to here that your movement is having the problems that you guys are having. But I am here to challenge you. OK
I challenge you that the next time you are alone and feel like your totally connected with yourself, you no like 2 in the morning when you cant sleep and you are contemplating the world. I ask you to say God if your real show me. And see what happens. but i do ask that you have an open mind.
But now for my RANT. You so called hypocrite Christians that are posting on this subject. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing the same things that you are of accusing these people of doing. Do you think being ugly and hateful is going to help. I think not…. I say you go look in the mirror ask why i wrote that hate filled garbage and ask for forgiveness. Last i heard Our god preached love compassion, and patience. You where a good example of that weren’t you…..
Allah_speaking | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:41pm
Even Allah knows that an atheist can not make even a single blade a grass.
Alan | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:42pm
Wow, given how many ‘people’ here think this somehow demonstrates that atheism requires you to have no moral grounding I can only imagine what their opinion of Catholicism is…
Walljasper | Jul 13, 2012 | 8:53pm
The big aetheist convention is always held on April 1st and who wants to learn what its like to roast in hell in the 110 degree heat of Sin City?
Jeff Samuelson | Jul 13, 2012 | 9:02pm
I sincerely hope RNS never sees fit to remove this comment thread.
Let this rich diversity of sanctimony, condescension, ignorance, judgment, superficiality, juvenile insults, hubris, pettiness, and projection - this staggering cesspool of fail - be a lesson to some and a reminder to others of what some people take from within the pages of scripture.
I’m so very glad not to count myself among you anymore.
jim | Jul 13, 2012 | 9:10pm
Atheist is just another name God hating Sodomites use to hide behind and of course they hate women like all filthy sodomites…...
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The Sodomite Agenda
PLEASE SEE ALSO: THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEXUAL PERVERSION AND SODOMY
INTRODUCTION
The research for this web page has left us feeling much violated after having conducted much research on the homosexual/sodomite agenda for the United States of America and the rest of the world. There is a variety of filth out there that is much more wicked than we had ever imagined. The wickedness of man is great in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart are only evil continually. Much of the reading that we have done has been revolting to the Christian conscious. The words wicked, vile, and an abomination are not adequate to describe the cesspool and sewer of depravity which mankind has slithered into with Satan. The gathering of some of the statistics for this page required that we read some very vulgar language and statistics that are not fit for Christian ears. In our article “The Consequences of Sexual Perversion And Sodomy” we document the trail of filth and violence left by these reprobates. We will not publish our sources here because to do so would run the risk of violating or offending some young Christian. This is not a topic to research for a Christian that is young in the faith. How it must have pained God to have to record in the pages of Scriptures the deeds of reprobate minds. The focus of this page is to present what God says about sodomy and other sexual perversions. While conducting this research this Scripture came to mind:
Mag | Jul 13, 2012 | 9:23pm
Just came across this article. Thought it might be interesting. Then I saw the picture. Are you kidding me?
Aranhas | Jul 13, 2012 | 9:38pm
The concept of atheism is counter to the scientific discoveries that imply a pre-wired need to believe in religion. Whether this is true or not, there is something intrinsically wrong with the need to gather and proselytize a lack of belief in God. I am not a religious person, but I don’t feel the need to try to convert people away from their beliefs. That is impossible and a losing game. So, why? I think it has to do with insecurities and deviations at a deeper level - something that is counter to religious belief, so atheists must disparage religion to justify what they feel. If there is no God, then pedophilia is acceptable. Rape is acceptable. Misogyny is acceptable. Think about it.
Colleen Quinn | Jul 13, 2012 | 9:56pm
Jeff Samuelson…amen! I’ve never read such insipid drivel! Not only do these people have no idea what it means to be an atheist, they are perfect examples of the kind of people Jesus would have ripped into and shamed for their very un-Christ-like behavior. To assert that humans would have no moral compass without a belief in a deity, is to have no education in anthropology, sociolology, or social psychology. We don’t get our morals from gods, we get them from the need for reciprocity…for trade…you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours…we developed morals ourselves, not from some supreme being for which there isn’t a shred of scientific evidence. And…I attend these atheist conferences…TAM included…and the women there, including myself, are CUTE!
Colleen Quinn | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:02pm
And atheists, most of them including the well known ones like Richard Dawkins do NOT claim to know there is no god or gods, we simply lack a belief in god(s). I would never claim to have such knowledge. To claim to know that which is unknowable flies in the face of how most atheists think. If there was credible evidence for a god or gods, I would entertain the idea. Until then, show me the evidence.
Peter | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:05pm
who cares…having respect for one another, including not being a sexist, is not preaching. It is a show of kindness and respect to one another. Many secularist and humanist people do not need the fear of eternal damnation to be good human beings. Many of us simply believe we have this one life to live and being respectful of one another certainly can benefit all in the long run.
Zebulon Harpooner | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:07pm
You and me baby ain’t nothin’ but mammals
Let’s do like they do on the Discovery channel.
The athiest mantra
ll | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:15pm
A lot of you here are athiest bashing in regard to this issue yet priests have been running young men’s lives for ages. And most sexual predators and deviants claim a religion. lol moral code my a$s.
Marie | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:18pm
Ohhhhkay, and who gets to decide what “dignity,” “respect,” and “disruptive and harmful behavior” are?
Every atheist, it would seem, would determine these values for him or herself. But what you think is ok is not necessarily ok with someone else. Usually, the bully finds nothing outrageous at all about his behavior. The victim complains, but who cares? The bully rules! And feels quite comfortable about it.
It is God’s law that restrains the bully.
Not man’s.
Freddy the Atheist Hunter | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:45pm
Great column for Atheists… “Only a fool dismisses God”
http://boilingthefrogs.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/only-a-fool-dismisses-god/
Lysander | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:47pm
Some of the comments on here are just the stupidest sh.t I’ve ever read in my entire life. And I’ve read a lot of stupid sh.t, let me tell you.
ChurchSalt.com | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:50pm
All this talk by atheists on “good” behavior, “bad” behavior and morals is astonishing! When there is no creator or law, all “morality”, if it even exists, is open to private situational interpretation. But deep inside y’all know there is something wrong here, that this behavior breaks some kind of moral law. The simple fact is that we ALL have a basic understanding of God’s law (we are all also aware of our own guilt). But to admit that would be to admit an authority higher than your own, and that you have guilt (even though deep inside you recognize it). It is this rebellion that makes y’all get together to discuss something that “probably doesn’t exist” in the first place. Good luck with that…
JustAnotherGuy | Jul 13, 2012 | 10:58pm
if you are an atheist, you are just an animal- right. Why would you expect and animal to act like anything other than a degenerate cockroach? Why would an atheist man have any more control than a dog humping a log?
The smartest people in the history of humanity believed in God, built civilizations, and advanced every science that you use today. What have you done?
You atheist monkeys are still swinging from trees flinging crap on everything you can’t comprehend. You are animals, self-admittedly, so what exactly is it that you don’t understand? I don’t know why more women don’t sign up to be treated like animals. Muslims and communists seem to like it.
recarter | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:04pm
Why do women complain when nature plays out the dictates of evolutionary dynamics? Our earliest ancestors discovered that male dominance and sexual aggression enhanced the likelihood of procreation. Females submitted to this dominance, understanding that strong, aggressive males produced healthier offspring. Even today, one hundred thirty-seven thousand, six hundred and seventeen years later, most females continue to respond favorably ... boy, you foolish athiests really know how to paint yourselves into a corner, don’t you!
AH | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:08pm
“Humanism at it’s core is for the betterment of all mankind. ....”
Yes, i agree. My definition of betterment is removal of all Jews, Blacks, Slavs, and other subhumans. What’s yours? We have the same standards, I hope…because for us, there are none.
BTW..pleased ta meetcha…hope you guessed my name.
John | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:19pm
Why would atheists need to meet? There are no rules to follow, no history, not even a support technique. So in essence they would just be meeting to bitch about religions which is what they don’t believe in anyway. Soulless bodies have no need to feel anything but chemical reactions in their brain.
Bill McIntosh | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:47pm
Re the comment on Atheists being just as bad as Catholic priests-I´d say much worse as atheists have no fear of an after life while priests do (especially if they are abusing kids). The big secret is that there’s LOTS of sexual abuse going down because we no longer can stomach restrictions on sexual pleasure and the internet has become a sewer for fanning the flames of lust-one of the Seven Deadly Sins. God bless you Atheists and when you look up and see the beauty of the stars and nature and feel lonesome ask God to reveal Himself to you if he exists. ASnd if you are ever in despair call on Mary the Mother of Jesus. She can also help you find a spouse-try her under the title of Our Lady of Gudalupe.
John The Aggregator | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:54pm
Hey, krissthesexyatheist. There’s this
http://www.flumc.org/district_forms_04/sexual_harassment_policy.pdf
and this
https://www.cpg.org/linkservid/3F47EDF3-E9B4-9FAA-4FEDE21B95E573E1/showMeta/0/?label=Model Policies: Preventing Sexual Harassment
and this
http://www.gabaptist.org/FAITHNETWORK_USERFILESTORE/filecabinet/ministries/237e6518-ae1d-4db3-844a-2959aa6966fc/church_financial_services/cfs_sexualharassmentpolicy.pdf
and this
http://www.pcusa.org/media/uploads/mgb_connect/covenant-of-behavior-policy-and-form.pdf
and even this, however unlikely
http://www.rcda.org/Offices/human_resources/PDF/SEXHARAS.pdf
and this
http://synodresourcecenter.org/admin/personnel/handbooks/0005/sexual_harassment_policy.html
and good Lord, even this
http://www.religiousinstitute.org/initiative/toward-a-sexually-healthy-and-responsible-unitarian-universalist-association
Dumbass.
DJG | Jul 13, 2012 | 11:59pm
@Colleen Quinn-
“...show me the evidence.”
Belief in God is “belief”. You can’t find God with a microscope. God is a part of the supernatural, so obviously the rules of natural science, requiring evidence etc., can not apply.
But consider the Christian tenet that “God is never very far from any one of us.” God is supernatural, but so in part is each of us. Most of us, believers and atheists both, acknowledge the reality of a moral law. For instance, we know we should not commit murder. But we can not produce evidence for this moral law. We can no more produce evidence for the moral law than we can for God. Yet since we do believe in this moral law, why not believe in God also?
Having said all this, I would note that the mathematical laws of probability, while not constituting scientific evidence in the usual sense, do serve to indicate that the probability of the universe (given the complexity and organizational level that we observe it to have) having an intelligent designer and creator are overwhelming. I would refer you to Sir Fred Hoyle’s work. Discussion of it can be found in “How Did the Universe Begin?”
by Ralph Epperson
Angela Sandidge | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:13am
If God’s existence could be proven scientificaly, there would be no place for faith. God surpasses all human understanding.
Bill | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:14am
@ Jeff Samuelson | Jul 13, 2012 | 2:33pm
“Jay, I’ve never met or talked to an atheist that considers human beings to be amoral beasts, or advocates a “kill or be killed mentality.” Such contortions only exist in the twisted imagination of demagogues and fundamentalists. As “evolved thinking animals,” humanity has developed systems of ethics and morality to deal with our impulses and thoughts, particularly within communities….”
How about Josef Stalin who murdered @ 20 million (athiest), Mao Tse Tung who murdered @ 70 million (athiest), Hitler who murdered @ 13 million (fallen away Catholic/athiest), Pol Pot who murdered @2 million (athiest), Fiedel Castro & Che Guvera who murdered thousands (athiests) and Timothy McVeigh who murdered 186 (Agnostic)?
me_smart | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:29am
What is wrong with you guys? I don’t think you know what the definition of atheist is. You think we’re lawless and without moral? We share the same virtues as you except we’re not doing it because there is a gun pointed at our head. We do it because we want to do it.
Also sctbinfl nice article. Except it works against you. People don’t raise their kids atheist. They are free to choose to believe whatever they want. They don’t become brainwashed like you and your religion.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-atheists-have-lowest-retention-rate-compared-to-religious-groups-78029/
bill_no_smart | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:32am
hey bill do a google search for this quote and tell me who wrote it:
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. “
bob the builder | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:37am
@me_smart
when you untether from a fixed moral mooring, it is up to the individual’s interpretation of civility - which of course varies from wildly from person to person.
Atheism is a religion, it is the theocracy of man. When you put man at the highest level, you will always be surprised at just uncivil and devolved they can be.
StenMarkFive | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:49am
Reading these comments here, you religious are so funny. Believing in a huge world scale flood that your loving god brought upon the earth and a talking snake, talking donkey… LMAO!
DK | Jul 14, 2012 | 12:58am
To all those posting the usual “atheists don’t believe in god, therefore they have no morals”, please stop. You are interpreting the whole “survival of the fittest” thing completely wrong. It does not mean taking what you what when you want, or being the biggest and strongest. It means doing what’s best for the species, in most cases the entire species. If that means beating the hell out of the weak in order to keep the gene pool strong (gorillas), then so be it. Or it may be the smaller, weaker males mating with the females while the larger males fight over them (Hercules beetles). But it may also mean being kind and caring to others so that the rest of the species doesn’t see you as an a-hole (humans… usually). Survival of the fittest does not always mean being ruthless. Being an atheist does not force you to throw the rule book out the window, in fact it has had the opposite effect on me. As an atheist I do not believe in an afterlife. This makes me try my best to make this life a good one, and not just for me but for all (as it is their only life as well).
Oh, and Hitler was not an atheist. And the others were not killing because they were atheists, they were just bad people. Bad people exist on both sides. Take for example the Pope (can’t remember his name) that stated “Thou shalt not kill” only applied to not killing other Christians. His statement allowed the crusades to occur, and the deaths of countless. Point being, there are plenty of “bad-guys” on both sides of the argument. Pointing fingers gets us nowhere.
amplitude jones | Jul 14, 2012 | 1:02am
there is aabsolutely no excuse for tolerating communists in the context of FREE AMERICA
Clearhead | Jul 14, 2012 | 1:14am
The aethists’ faith in ‘“not having any faith at all”’ makes them more religious than all other faiths combined.
AeroJack7 | Jul 14, 2012 | 1:23am
They were praying for a higher turnout of women.
Ken | Jul 14, 2012 | 2:26am
Women put up with a lot. But they will not brook having a man whom they perceive to be beneath them pursuing them. This is to say, women will not brook losers. That is why women are not attracted to the atheist shin-dig. All else is dross. If atheists were “hot”, you could not keep the women away if you tried.
This reveals that atheism and humanism are simply not sexy. In fact they are trending toward barren in more ways than one. Women, the physical expression of fecundity for our species, are simply not amused on the whole.
cojcoj | Jul 14, 2012 | 4:15am
I think all Drudge Report commenters are the morally bankrupt individuals. I don’t need to provide proof of this because I have faith that it’s true. I also expect everyone else in the world to believe this without question.
Hugs and Kisses | Jul 14, 2012 | 5:16am
You see, the atheists are the biggest bunch of hippocrites on the planet. They get mad anytime anyone mentions Jesus, yet they wander around aimlessly telling anyone and everyone all about their atheism…
I knew a few who would always annoy EVERYONE with their constant banter on religion.. They were on more of a mission than the Mormons to convert the world to atheism..
Anyway, they just need to STFU and practice what they believe and quit trying to shove it down everyones throat.
Joe Zamecki | Jul 14, 2012 | 5:40am
Think Atheists are dumb or crazy? All you have to do is produce your god. After thousands of years of theists trying to do that and failing, how much more can YOU bring to this debate now? Just more talk, it seems. Atheism makes sense until a god is found, and so far, they’re easily made up. Anyone can do it. Just try. Making stuff up is easy. Producing it is convincing. Other real things in life are always going to be more appealing to intelligent people, because those things are real. Reality trumps fantasy, in the big picture.
clirus | Jul 14, 2012 | 5:56am
Hollywood has dictated that the humanist/atheistic woman can be superwoman, but only if she gives blowjobs.
The Christian Family concept is the only concept that gives women value.
Not Amused | Jul 14, 2012 | 6:13am
Some of these responses from religious people are so… wrong, on so many levels that it’s quite staggering.
Just look at this fellow saying Christianity is the only concept that gives women value. The religion that tells women to be silent, and in submission.
Until recently, you didn’t even let them be priests. Don’t make me laugh.
Jacob R | Jul 14, 2012 | 6:23am
Godless pagans masquerading as ultra rational intellectuals actually being immoral sex fiends..shocking.
Kaptain Kanada | Jul 14, 2012 | 6:24am
How amusing to see all the smarmy, know-it-all atheists fighting one another. The great atheist, Josef Stalin, must be tossing in his grave, as must that other maniac, “Mad” Murray O’Hair. Decent people, on the other hand, are neither surprised nor unhappy about it.
People with no moral values who congregate always end up doing evil.
Gerard F | Jul 14, 2012 | 6:42am
I am curious, although I respect your views as a TRUE AMERICAN since you do not believe in a god will you be willing as Atheists to return all of the money that you have received as Holiday pay, such as Christmas, Thanksgiving, Forth of July and basically any Holiday since the term itself lends itself to be religious based
Do you think that bug guy, I think his name was lennon or something when he sang his song about there being no religion in the sky above, where do you think he is?
Since, as intelligence people, I would hope that Atheists would accept as an axiom, that we are made up of protons and science has proven that protons last forever, Where do my Protons go?
By the way, the sexual misconduct is totally unacceptable regardless and there is one solution to the perps, either colt ot smith and wesson, two in the cap will end the crap
J.K. | Jul 14, 2012 | 7:06am
Dear Lord, please place these lives in the hands of your people clearing their paths to get them where they need to be to witness Your love. We acknowledge when we do all we can do, You will do what only you can do.
In Jesus’ name and Love, Amen
Wilson | Jul 14, 2012 | 7:19am
Women who believe all men are rapists or who dramatically exaggerate polite advances into harassment claims are sexists. Until they admit they have a problem and institute a female dress code and code of conduct to match any male harassment code it would be better if the pervy self-involved bigots stayed at home and read 50 Shades.
Brad | Jul 14, 2012 | 7:24am
Wow! What a bunch of ignorance being spewed here. It is painfully obvious many of those posting here know nothing about atheism and just spew their bigotry to make them feel superior.
Matt025 | Jul 14, 2012 | 7:42am
More proof that the athiest worldview is unlivable. You can’t promote ethics when there is no such thing as “morals”. Anyone else see the extreme irony in the nontheist’s complaints of bad behavior? Any ethical, moral, or similar call to good behavior must be borrowed from a theistic worldview though there are very few nontheists who will actually admit this fact. Antony Flew is the latest defector from atheism admitting to its contradictory and unlivable out workings.
BS Detector | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:01am
My ears perk up
Atheist women are easy?
Don’t believe it
obamaisgodawful@hotmail.com | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:30am
These activist “atheist” agitators, folks uniting for higher visibility and for no good under a banner of atheism, want attention for their anger, that’s all. They’ve found a common enemy to bring them together to attack with really nothing of value to bring to the table. At the heart of their anger is the unwillingness or inability to follow basic tenets of God’s morality and so they want only their own system of relativistic, fluid morality as a basis of judgment for their misbehaviors and flawed character.
john | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:34am
@obamaisgodawful you’re one to talk about a common enemy that brings you together out of anger. Grow up idiot.
obamaisgodawful@hotmail.com | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:35am
I’m sticking with civilization and modernity. You feel free to stick with the savagery of atheism, little johnny.
Brian Peterson | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:45am
Silly theists commenting here.
Plenty of atheists live within the bounds of standard morality, and find it extremely advantageous to do so. It’s called rational self-interest.
john | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:46am
@obamaisgodawful I’m not quite sure how not believing in one thing can be considered savagery. You may be sticking with civilization but there’s nothing modern about God, such elementary ideas have existed long throughout history. Books such as the bible were written before we knew what atoms or germs were. You can say what you want but there’s nothing modern about your beliefs.
Blake | Jul 14, 2012 | 8:56am
wow, we’re not the ones putting them in cloaks and forbidding them to drive
women are whiny little brats wherever they are and whatever organization they belong to, and pretty much try to ruin everything men have built
when it all boils down, women are extremely worthless to society. honestly you think feminism would apply if we were out in the wild? it is an artificial made up concept no more real than religion.
women will never be strong enough or fast enough to do what men can do. they are nothing more than breeding factories or sex objects so who really cares? i don’t. what is the POINT in caring? logic dictates that we should just move on and ignore what these whinging women have to say.
obamaisgodawful@hotmail.com | Jul 14, 2012 | 9:29am
Blake represents the average atheist. I motion that we elect him President for life of TAM.
obamaisgodawful@hotmail.com | Jul 14, 2012 | 9:30am
“Plenty of atheists live within the bounds of standard morality, and find it extremely advantageous to do so. It’s called rational self-interest”.
Plenty, plenty more don’t.